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I could post something every day about the horrors of the rape culture in this country. In this world. But today I post this. I cannot stop shuddering. I think of young women in this man's classroom knowing that he is on record essentially giving a free pass to the wanna be and already experienced rapists in that same classroom. As long as she's unconscious, "reap the benefits." Go for it. BENEFITS? WTF?

He turns the horror of rape into an intellectual exercise and equates its psychic effects to someone's being distressed about the desecration of the environment....

I have to go outside and cleanse my soul.

Here's the link if you can bear it.
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A friend of mine wrote this when she saw the article.

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Dear Professor Landsburg: You are welcome to arrange to be drugged when you don't expect it, raped while unconscious, and to view the rape--along with a few thousand other people--on Youtube. Let us know how that works out for you. Alternately, you might try growing a vagina and getting back to us about being raped to the merriment of all present. Looking forward to your insights!



The only thing that gives release is maybe scathing sarcasm and vitriol? I can see that....
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Thanks for bringing this "thought experiment" to our attention, vkp. I haven't managed to collect mine yet. Your friend's response is a good one. For now, I can only wonder why the good professor didn't see fit to call the unconscious rape victim Suzie McDrunkenpants?
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Kat: Good one.

I'm still beside myself. I have written an email to the administration/president of U. of Rochester. If anyone is so inclined, emails go through the administrative assistant at [sign in to see URL]@[sign in to see URL]. There is also a Facebook group called We Are Legitimate that is spearheading action.
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Whew. So I read the entire article, thinking it might be an exercise in sustained irony like Swift's "A Modest Proposal."

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But then I read more about the professor's libertarian world view and fear he is dead serious. What a schmuck. He probably thinks the rich should dine on the children of the poor,

"I grant this food may be somewhat dear, and therefore very proper for Landlords, who as they have already devoured most of the Parents, seem to have the best Title to the Children."

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About an hour after I read the article, I seemed to recall a news report years ago about a dentist who had molested a number of his female patients, of all ages, after drugging them under the guise of working on their teeth. That got me to thinking that under Landsburg's proposal, doctors, nurses, anesthesiologist and anesthetists could have a gay old time raping their patients as long as those patients weren't physically harmed, didn't become pregnant and didn't remember anything afterwards. Patients in comas as the result of trauma or disease would be rape fodder for anyone so inclined to have at them. Taken to even greater extremes why not allow parents to use date rape drugs on their children or put them into medically induced comas and then commit incest? Maybe pedophile priests could put sedatives in the communion wine, and imagine how much easier it would have been for someone like Jerry Sandusky to molest underage boys if he had knocked them out somehow first. It boogles the mind that someone would suggest none of this would be a crime. Is Landsburg serious? Taken to the extreme his thought experiment reads like something out of bad science fiction. Why not create a race of medically altered human beings who have no functional memory to serve as sex slaves? Or we could put Alzheimer's patients in rape houses and charge anyone who has a couple of bucks and is disease free to pleasure themselves without regret, no questions asked. Or am I missing something salient in Landsburg's proposed scenario?
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No, Kat, I don't think you are missing anything. He is though. A conscience. Not only is the logical extreme of the workings of his "inquiring mind" exactly as you describe it, but he has full access to the minds of the youth he teaches, and any others who read his blog. Now admittedly most young people (at least the ones I know) are not idiots, nor are they blank slates, but many are still impressionable beyond belief, largely because they've never been taught, inspired or expected to think much for themselves. One friend of mine, a professor at Penn State, claims that her undergrads are quite savvy and she speculates that most of the kids at U. of Rochester have dismissed Landsburg as an ass and moved on. I hope so but am not convinced. The whole thing fills me with very real terror.
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I read the thread, this morning, while in route to Mississippi where our crew spent the day installing queen cells in newly made colonies. Right now, body is wiped out, once again stumbling like a drunk. I felt reticent about entering into the discussion. Still do. I don't have to imagine what rape is about, what it is like. For that matter, I don't have to imagine what child abuse or domestic abuse are like. This is my experience base.

I don't need to argue with this Professor Landsburg. No desire to make any ironic comment either. He should be fired solely on the strength of his "intellectual exercise". And if he wants to keep his job then render him through a machine I call an automatic scrotum disintegrator. He might then get the cognitive disconnect. Pun intentional.

A culture of rape the thread is called? How about the multiculturalism of rape. The Maldives is a nation that follows Sharia law. The 15 year old girl in the article was raped repeatedly by her step-father and saw her brother murdered by him. Then sentenced to 100 lashes in public for extra-marital sex. Authorities say the whipping is for unrelated extra-marital sex. My bullshitometer's needle has flown off the dial.

Women and children always the first dispossessed of their bodies. Then, of course, the planet herself. And it is going to get worse, not better. The barbarians are not at the gates. In a world-village there are no gates.

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God damn it! Got drawn in anyway. !@#$. What the f*ck is wrong with everybody? Thought experiment itself is a red herring. A basic, moral, principle of liberal democracy, the system under which we live in America and look to export, the system Landsburg benefits from, the basic moral principle is the right to self-determination. Reflected in the Declaration of Independence, in the Constitution, in the Bill of Rights, and in a whole bunch of Amendments. This ass hole's position amounts to this: when unconscious you lose the moral right to self-determination. Rendered unconscious by drink, by drugs, by sleep. At best, a sloppy thinker. At worst, with an agenda.

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Having sex with a minor is considered rape. Why? The minor is not able to give his or her informed, uncoerced, legal consent. How is it possible, pray tell, for an unconscious person to give his or her informed, uncoerced, legal consent? It's not. Landsburg's thought experiment defies logic and is at heart, or rather at heartlesness, nonsensical.
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I feel I should apologize for the intemperance of my words. Just not possible for me to have balance with certain men or subjects.

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I don't know. Would it be morally acceptable to destroy a person's mind while they are asleep, because, you know, they'll never know they had one? Would it be morally just fine to exchange people's organs while they are unconscious without consent or prior knowledge, because they still have just as good working parts? Is there such a thing as personal integrity, boundaries that make individual beings complete with self-control, that define a self to be respected? Or are we just a bunch of random animals, subject to the moral precepts that rule hierarchy obsessed self-proclaimed reasonable men?
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