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item 250556951567 on ebay is the head of a panther
red mouthed panther gold eyed mounted item this item
is the powdered skull of a panther taken as a prize
by an Algonquin in 1840 in a near miss he found it hiding
out in a hollow log from the mist and magic of Yellow Rain Snakes
a coyote also a coyote he found at lurk amongst the population
poking in a burning he stick he found in the lightning to drive
out the lurkful watch of panthers from the hollows within
the panther and anther powder comes in a phial a secret phial
it can easily be added to a drink to prolong life all along to make strong
the vigour the virile force the vital esprit de corps or used as an ichor
to augment the eye's core the coyote also was taken though the extraction
of his thereaway member from the hollows with which he had tried
to flush the panther puma brought about disaster on the Algonquin
whose head powder is also of the listed items 250570583394
in sudden defaults of dizzy fits the Algonquin a man then found
himself though still proud quite weak and sick and died there
in the arms of panthers and coyotes alone from all his humans
it is why the power has massed up here alongside in the skull powder
in tides of light dust it may have become radioactive and then only bad
to the touch
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Now here is a poem that stops me, makes me reconnoiter what I think I know about things. Interestingly enough, having now seen your YouTube thing I have a better idea of your sense of rhythm and metrics. I think you are working in, relying solely on, running rhythm, which is as old as English poetry itself. The thing about running rhythm I think I've found is this: keep to it consistently as it touches the ear and problems of both (syntactical) enjambment and no punctuation dissolve. Word/sound associations come through sensually, just like they should in Old English, yes?

If I get the sense of the poem right it comes through shamanically. Panther/coyote/the reborn man. That is the sense I get.

The last two lines cause me to stumble. Not sure why. Or maybe they should. The poem operates in the mythic realm I think. But ends on a post-mythic, modern note. Are you by any chance a close reader of Ted Hughes? His attention to language comes through.

I've encountered two panthers, by the way. The soma goes stilled. Poem brings up the moment(s).

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Hi, Tere. Thanks for the comments. I'm a big fan of Gerard Manley Hopkins, so yes, running rhythm is often a thing for me. Funnily enough I often get accused of being too fragmented and staccato too.

I was thinking about some kinds of internet semi-illiteracy here, like you get on internet forums or Ebay, along with some ideas about trickster figures. I imagine you know some of the Native American coyote stuff. I remember reading one of those stories where the coyote sticks his penis (presumably like 6ft long) into a hollow log to try to flush out a raccoon or something, with rather ugly consequences, as might be expected. Some Rabelais too maybe. I like Rabelais rather a lot. Maybe Sherlock Holmes too, as the first reference in this is to a genuine item on Ebay. It's not a Bradshaw's Railway Guide, but maybe I'm trying to do Damien Hirst in words. I haven't entirely figured it out yet. I know there are possibilities along these lines and I intend to kick at them.

It's also just a myth story that personally I would like to read in bed with biscuits on a stormy day at about ten years old. It was iced up inside my windscreen when I drove to the supermarket last night, and that always reminds me of being a kid in a big old cold farmhouse with the windows frozen up and reading Greek mythology under the blankets with a torch.

I'm not that wild about Ted Hughes, though I know he was pretty good at myth animals.

I'm pretty into Old English, though, so that's a hit. I am currently trying to revive the word 'eek' by using it all the time. I often go overboard on alliteration just because I think it is a time machine. I spent half an hour yesterday telling my eldest (6 yr old) son about how Beowulf was the 'bee wolf' because bears were sort of like wolves who liked honey. It was a huge full moon perigee last night, so it seemed right to write about tricksters and bee wolves. And I kept getting Ebay alerts about this stupid fibreglass panther's head that I was only watching because I wanted to see if anyone would be insane enough to buy it.

So that's some of how I do things. How about you? I'd be interested.

Cheers,

Steve.
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Good stuff, Steve, and thanks. This is something I can come back to from time to time and chew on. I get the mix out of which you draw. Or, rather, I get that it is a mix out of which you draw; which is how it should be for the case of poetry, I tend to think, and for any poet who looks to bundle up all of experience. I too can get carried away with alliterations. The only antidote I have found is to look for other types of word-sound associations. Anyway, now you see something of what the poem evoked for me.

As for your question about me, I'll have to think on it. My immediate reaction is to say that, with the first writing, I have no method as such. The process tends to be pre-conscious. I am not aware of what I am doing, what I am, or where I am. Revisions, of course, are brutally clinical, and maybe then I am too aware of things.

Here is a funny Coyote story maybe you can use. It comes from the Winnabago nation. He had many names: Old Man Coyote, First Born, Gift Giver, Shape Changer, and my favorite, Foolish One. He is walking through the woods one day when he hears a plant say: he who eats me, he will defecate, he will surely defecate. The Old Man reminds himself he is a great man and that no plant can make him defecate if he doesn't want to. You can imagine what happens after he eats from the plant. He continues on, crapping all the while, until finally he has to climb a tree in order to keep above his own growing mound. Then he loses his grip and falls into his own !@#$.

So now he goes to a river to wash himself off. While doing so he notices a band of maidens on the other side washing their hair. They are in the protective charge of an old woman. First Born decides he wants the chief's daughter. So he pulls out his penis and he says to him: Little Brother, I am sending you across the river to enter the chief's daughter. At first Little Brother is riding too high and is seen by the old woman. First Born ties some rocks around him to make him less noticable. Now he is riding too low and is in danger of sinking. But finally the Old Man gets the right weight and sends Little Brother across the water just barely above the surface. But the old woman has been alerted. As Little Brother climbs up the river bank, she rushes him with stick in hand and beats him mercilessly. I guess some days were not so good for First Born, the Foolish One, Old Man Coyote.

I am writing from memory, improvising just a little, but the essentials are right. With your sense of humor you could find much material in the cycle. Native Americans knew how to laugh at their culture bringer and village gift giver. It is a shame other cycles involving creation myths seem mostly to lack the same capacity.

Tere
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Great story, Tere, thanks. They are often a little profane, aren't they. Yeah, I might look into using some of this stuff more, though it's already featured in my stuff here and there. I love all the trickster stuff, actually, and it seems to appear in most cultures. Many of them are animal figures obviously, but some of the European versions like Eulenspiegel are very different from having come from less shamanistic periods of history. All of them basically seem to codify the same messages about the relationship between humanity and nature, though. Fascinating old stuff.

Steve.
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Hi Steve. I can see why the mention of old English has come up here in the discussion (rather rude of me to butt in though out of the blue). Constructions like "it can easily be added to a drink to prolong life all along to make strong/the vigour the virile force the vital esprit de corps or used as an ichor' give me a strong sense of being part of a performance here. That said this piece contains quite a lot of distracting repetitions compared to your other stuff and moves a bit sluggishly. Now if you'll excuse me,I am going to read this some more and think up something sensible to say -arka

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Said in passing, welcome to the board, Culdesac. Butting in is not at all rude. It's what makes for conversation.

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Hey! Hi, Arka. Nice to see you here, man!

Thanks for the comments there. You reckon sluggish then? That's confused me a little.

I suppose this is form really, if you know what I mean by that. I mean it's not all concept, but is attempting some old fashioned musicality too. Someone elsewhere thought there was some conflict between these two ideas too.

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Hey Steve. What i was trying to communicate was a knee-jerk reaction (as one solitary reaper ahem reader). am having trouble adapting to the chant-like progression in this one. not an indictment of form.i'll try to work at this some more.

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Hey Tere

Thanks for the welcome. i plan to become a regular here. Till later- arka.
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Arka, I wasn't objecting in any way to your take here. I hope you know that. I was just trying to understand what you meant. Please feel entirely free to say anything you want about any of my poems. I got a real good start on internet poetry by frequenting the Poetry Free For All as my first board. They pretty much murdered me and laughed about it afterwards. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but it did get me pretty thick-skinned about critique.

I hear it's all changed over there now, though. I can't say I would have recommended it to anyone as it was a few years ago, unless you were especially masochistic.

Hmm, just wondering is it's okay to refer to another board like this. I sort of imagine this place is private and it might be okay. If it's not, then please let me know.

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Culdesac, I look forward to your poetry. It is the main thing, right? And in the other conversational threads too.

Steve, this board is and has been public from the start. The design is deliberate. We get guests and Runboard users all the time who, though they may not post, read the proceedings pretty regularly. Besides which, and speaking for myself, I am into commerce between as many boards and such as possible. No one board can satisfy either a poet or a conversationalist for long. Let's call the board's approach a free trade agreement. In the cost/benefit analysis the approach benefits more.

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I'll leave it there then, Tere, though I won't be offended if it gets removed either.

Steve.
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Steve Parker,

My first reaction was one of doubt. Mythical somehow, and not sure if fault was being assigned to the Algonquin. We're talking ebay, and listing things, and at the same time working through a myth, but only -- I hesitate to say superficially -- but certainly not dealing with the myth in any solid or clearly stated way. So I'm left with a lot of questions because of how Native Americans and their history has been distorted in the past. I recognize that there has been an effort by some historians to correct things, but there is still a lot of misinformation out there, especially by the mass of people who get most of their information not by reading (good stuff) but by watching television. So my first reaction, maybe outside your poem (unfortunately) was to be wary. Don't feel alone; I wrote a poem a while back, and mucked it up, about a white/Indian incident and got tarred and feathered for it. I'm not tarring you, just saying that all of this makes it difficult for me to read your poem. It's just the era we live in.

Thanks for posting. Zak

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item 250556951567 on ebay is the head of a panther
red mouthed panther gold eyed mounted item this item
is the powdered skull of a panther taken as a prize
by an Algonquin in 1840 in a near miss he found it hiding
out in a hollow log from the mist and magic of Yellow Rain Snakes
a coyote also a coyote he found at lurk amongst the population
poking in a burning he stick he found in the lightning to drive
out the lurkful watch of panthers from the hollows within
the panther and anther powder comes in a phial a secret phial
it can easily be added to a drink to prolong life all along to make strong
the vigour the virile force the vital esprit de corps or used as an ichor
to augment the eye's core the coyote also was taken though the extraction
of his thereaway member from the hollows with which he had tried
to flush the panther puma brought about disaster on the Algonquin
whose head powder is also of the listed items 250570583394
in sudden defaults of dizzy fits the Algonquin a man then found
himself though still proud quite weak and sick and died there
in the arms of panthers and coyotes alone from all his humans
it is why the power has massed up here alongside in the skull powder
in tides of light dust it may have become radioactive and then only bad
to the touch



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Zak, thanks for the thoughts. The thing here is commercialisation of people, myths, panthers, whatever... The Algonquin is partly a flesh-coloured Algonquin that glows in the dark. If there's a point here (and I'm not really into making points in poetry), it might be to do with how myth survives despite the best efforts of ad agencies and politicians. Even here in the runied city you still see little flashes of magic left behind by the people who fled when the pink monkeys invaded.

I assure you both the Algonquin tribe and panthers are honoured in this.

Cheers,

Steve.
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