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No remedy, folk or otherwise. Same can be said about being alive. That is what living teaches me. But thanks.

Tere
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Seems I let our board's premium status to expire, what keeps us free of ad banners. Not sure how it happened. Maybe I lost track of time, thinking we had plenty of premium credits to the good. I think it is right that board views count like a clicker against the credits. I think. If so, since last spring, views and visits to the board have numbered in the mid to high hundreds. Mid-summer there was one day when something like 2,000 plus visits were made because of something I put on FB about the Macondo spill.

Whatever the case I should have kept to a closer accounting. Board status now renewed through Paypal. Ad banner should soon disappear.

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Banner is gone now, Tere. Thank you.

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You're welcome, Chris. I just lost count is all.

Tere
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I want to share something about board business. We made the board in Sep of '08, a little shy of 3 years ago. It was my idea and I opened its doors for business, but I had a considerable amount of help, especially from Kat and Chris, in everything from layout to the board's so-called terms of engagement. Initial impulse had something of a negative value: my frustration with other, not a few poetry boards. I didn't like how they were constructed, how they conducted business, and especially the often snarky, gratuitously nasty behavior of board members. Didn't like the politics either and the cliques. Funny to think on. How poets can go out of their way, sometimes, to hurt each other. On some boards I watched the banning of members, and none too infrequently. Ocassionally it was justified but not always. That frustrated me as well.

We have a forum here invisible to all but for administrators. Well, I assume Runboard itself, the mother board, also has access to it. It serves as a repository for offending posts removed from other fora. Posts, that is, that violate what few rules of engagement we have.

I forget about the forum I call The Bad News Box, which is a mark of how infrequently it gets used. Only four times in almost 3 years has a post been removed from circulation and placed there. (In the back of my head there is the faint memory we might have zapped a post completely into cyber ether.) In as much time only twice have I felt forced to ban a member from the board. In all cases action has come about because someone went out of their way to hurt someone else. In comparison to other boards I've known the circumstance is extraordinary, almost unaccountably so except that I figure it is because of the kind of people who come here, which brings me to my point. Thank you board buddies.

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Thank you, Tere, and Chris, and Kat. This really does feel like a safe place to learn more about what it is I <think> I'm doing. Thanks as well to everyone on the board who has offered suggestions, interpretations, and encouragement.

I especially like the links to other sites, blogs, poets, authors, etc. Enriches me.

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Yeah. Those links are something, huh? Down right democratizing with how the info gets disseminated.

Tere
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Hi EA,

In a recent poem, Libra wrote something that I hope speaks to the spirit of what this board is/can/will be:

"If we should ever meet
at dawn
or as the evening melts into the night
or in the clouded over noon day Sun
if we should chance encounter,
discover interlocking smiles,
discuss how weary miles and moments
carry us and now cross,
if for brief meeting, distracted from our loss
of time, of place, or other faces once our lives
If we should meet to dine on meat and wine
or otherwise
may our meeting produce music of muses combined"

http://bdelectablemnts.runboard.com/t1269

In my comment on this part of her poem I wrote: "This section contains my favorite part of the poem, which reads to me like a prayer and a wish for companionship, communion and communal art."

We few, we happy (and sometimes sad) few, we band of sisters and brothers. emoticon Anyhow, make yourself at home. The board was designed to give people lots of places to explore, experiment and play, so, as some might say 'round these here parts: Have at it and enjoy.


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EA,

I'm not the best person to tell you how to use the html buttons, since I still don't know how to use all of them myself, but here goes.

See the buttons above the subject line when you are posting: insert link, insert image, etc? If you want to insert a quote, place the cursor at the start of the quote and click "start quote." Then place the cursor at the end of the quote and click "end quote." You can also B(old), I(talicize), C(enter) things and so on in the same way.

Does that make sense? If not, maybe Shab will stop by with an explanation; she's the one who taught me how to indent and use color.

quote:

Feel free to practice in this thread if you like.

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Hi Kat,

I'm up and at 'em again, might be. Was just listening to Gil-Scott Heron and Johnnie Lee Hooker with Santana--now that's better than coffee for starting off your day when you slept none and dreamed too much.

Thanks for (a) recognizing I tried to delete a post, but "the elves" need to do that emoticon and (b) explaining how to insert quotes here. You're a doll.
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But I don't think my addled brain is getting it.

Nope. Well, maybe some other time.

Thanks again--EA
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Wednesday. I see several new poems posted since the weekend. They are saved as new and will read and respond come Sat. As said before the job is demanding of both brain and bod, especially this time of the year. Just don't want to read and respond in the perfunctory way.

Tere
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Okay. A member has asked that her posts be deleted. In compliance her poems and starting threads have been deleted. Keeping with board policy, said member's replies to threads started by others have not been. Member's letter archived.

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thanks
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aww, elizabeth. I was just getting around to reading the posts and catching up emoticon
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Wednesday. I see several new poems posted since the weekend. They are saved as new and will read and respond come Sat. As said before the job is demanding of both brain and bod, especially this time of the year. Just don't want to read and respond in the perfunctory way.

Tere,

I've been thinking about the trade-offs that occur because we are a small board with very few rules. Most larger, faster paced boards have rules like: You can post 2 poems a week, and for every 1 poem you post, you must critique 2 (or 3) poems by other members. Here, people can post as many poems as they want and do as few critiques as they wish (keeping in mind, as you frequently point out, the quid pro quo nature of things), but because there aren't as many members posting, there is often not a lot of activity on the board, especially on weekdays. That is the trade-off.

I've also been thinking about how my approach to critique has changed of late. I used to do line-by-line critiques, making comments and offering potential tweaks and changes. Now, I tend to make general comments and offer very few possible tweaks and changes. I am happy with this new-to-me approach, because it is less time consuming for me and feels like it is less intrusive to other poets, who have their own methods and styles that are usually radically different from my own.
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Kat, I figure every poet, reader, crit has her own way. When it comes to reading and critting I am inclined to not go too intrusive, rationale being: midwife the poem. When it comes to my poetry, and this is the contradiction, I want brutal honesty. I accept the contradiction.

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Kat-
That is indeed the trade-off. I am one of those who has received great feedback and encouragement, and have not had time to reciprocate. And this wouldn't be my first time either :P

I have a wedding shoot today (my first, which means I am bound to make every amateur mistake!), but will be able to catch up with the board tomorrow.

I guess I am one of those people who tries to give detailed feedback, not sure if the receiver likes it. I suppose every poet is different in what kind of feedback they seek. One type of feedback is the type I got a few times at another poetry board (remember? emoticon) and finally walked away: the kind that said "this poem does not ring true! this is not how death is and you cannot fly into the chest of the wind." which made me think 'why aren't you judging Hollywood pitches instead of poetry?'

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Musing here. Shab, I remember one time you gave feed back on a poem of mine. This was at least 3 years ago and maybe 4 on the old Lily's board. In effect you gave me permission to give in to a tendency I had consciously suppressed for a good two decades. It was to allow the lead of L. Cohen in my stuff. Hugely liberating your permission has proved. Maybe that also is the job of a critical reader, n'est pas?

Oh. I remember your Kurdistan (?) photos. You have a good eye for the visually interesting. You'll do fine today.

Tere

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mais oui emoticon absolument mon plaisir!
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Hi Tere,

I try to gage my critique to the poem at hand. If someone says they are posting a poem they just wrote, I am more cautious than if someone says the poem has been around a while and tweaked and re-tweaked. Part of the change in my approach is based on personal experience. I used to share (online or in real life workshops) a new poem and then try to incorporate all the changes people suggested to me. Often times, I didn't really improve the poem. Then I started changing most of the poems back to the way I originally had them. The poems weren't necessarily better, but at least the mistakes were my own. emoticon

Hi Shab,

Good luck with the wedding shoot today! I found out recently that my friend Herman, who gave me my first digital camera, used to be a wedding photographer and had a small camera repair business as well. I love the idea that you are trying your hand at being a wedding photographer, and based on your photos I've seen, I agree with Tere: You have a good eye.

I should have mentioned that I still do line-by-line critiques if I feel they might be helpful and if I know the poet on the other end of the critique is interested in a more indepth analysis. This usually happens when I know a poet's work fairly well and when I am more familiar with the type of work someone is doing. I have a real life friend, for example, whose poems I have been reading and critiquing for almost 10 years. We both love Kenyon and Hirshfield's poems, and her work is somewhat like theirs. If I didn't give her specific feedback, she'd be disappointed and wonder what was wrong with me. emoticon

Oh, yeah, I remember the critiques of which you speak. "which made me think 'why aren't you judging Hollywood pitches instead of poetry?'" Ha! That made me laugh.

    
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The friend I mentioned above once did a series of poems based on O'Keeffe paintings. The sequence was truly inspired, and the poems came in a rush, one after another.

"Nobody sees a flower – really – it is so small it takes time – we haven’t time – and to see takes time, like to have a friend takes time.“

~Georgia O’Keeffe

That's how it is for me sometimes with poems. It can take me a while to see what the poet is going after, what the poem is saying. Often not because of some flaw in the poem but because of my own inability to open up, slow down and concentrate.

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Here is something I think I know about critters. The best are first gifted poetry readers. They bring to your poem a kind of comprehension that cannot be quantified, taught, or learned. I am inclined to think the capacity is pre-conscious, operating at a level some somatic distance below the intellectual. And I am old enough, mostly too old to think I know anything about anything, to spot the gifted poetry reader in a crowded symposium of critics. Pretty much she is the only critter I listen to anymore.

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Shab,

You got me thinking about the big faux pas Herman said he made on his first wedding shoot. If I'm not mistaken, he neglected to get a shot of the bride and groom cutting the cake. Whatever you do, don't go there! emoticon

Tere,

"I am inclined to think the capacity is pre-conscious, operating at a level some somatic distance below the intellectual."

That makes sense to me. My first inclination to poetry was not an intellectual one. In high school the first poem I wanted to memorize was Roethke's "The Waking":

"We think by feeling. What is there to know?
I hear my being dance from ear to ear.
I wake to sleep, and take my waking slow."


 
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I've mentioned this before but it continues to baffle me. The traffic of viewers the board gets.

Today, the 12th, view count is up to 957. The board is on GMT and we are 7 hrs behind. This means that for where I live in Louisiana there is a little over an hour to the 12th's clock. Yesterday's count was 955 views. And on the 6th of the month, a Monday no less, the board was viewed or visited 1,031 times. What is up with these numbers? What is going on? From time to time I will give a link to a board thread on FB. Sometimes I'll post a link to one of my stories. Sometimes to a discussion I think interesting. (Of course, both In Translation and Ateliers are off limits, being for members only.) But I only have 30 FB contacts. Are other Delectable Mnts people doing the same or something similar? If so I think it wonderful. There is rich stuff here and wanting to be shared. But I don't get it. And with so many views, why not more people joing in on the fun? Does anyone have an explanation?

Tere

(an hour later. seems the day will end out with over 1,000 pageviews.)

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The stats are amazing, Tere, and I find them baffling too. But in a good way. I just want to make clear to everyone that we are not saying we have had 955 visitors to the board in a sigle day. We have had 955 page views. When someone comes to the board and is on the front page, that's one page view. When that person clicks on The Poetry Spectrum, that counts as the second page view. A posted comment garners a page view, as does clicking out of a thread and back into a forum or to the front page. Does that make sense? Here's an example:

1. I come to Delectable Mnts.
2. I click to sign in.
3. I sign in.
4. I go back to the main page.
5. I click on Salon Chat.
6. I click on Board Business.
7. I post a comment.
8. I edit the comment.
9. I go back to Salon Chat.
10. I go back to the main page.
11. I go to the Poetry Spectrum.
12. I click on a poem to read.
13. I go back to the Poetry Specturm list.
14. I go back to the main page.
15. I click on Field Notes.
 
And so on. The above constitutes 15 page views. You can always tell how many views a specific thread has by looking at "views" count for that thread. Page views as well as thread views can be driven up by a person deliberately clicking on a thread for the purpose of boosting the read count. I suspect I saw that happening a few times in the past on other boards, but I don't think that is happening here.

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Thanks, Kat. I am so accustomed to the nomenclature I forget to explain the jargon. And, really, who knows what it means? I am very fond of this board, maybe a little proud of it and of all the fine discussions and poems it is an avenue for. I am also fond of all my board buddies and very much want to see y'all enjoy recognition. That's my motive.

All though I said it above I want to emphasize that the two members only fora are safe from public eyes. Everyone is safe there to create and play according to their own parameters.

Tere
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Does tend to make one curious. I remember noticing than 1 of my poems had had 40 views (with a tiny numbers of replies) thinking "40 views! how is that possible? that's far too high...who are all these people?" (and I may be one of the last hold-outs, not being on FB.)

Always seems to be at least one guest whenever I'm logged in, but never more than 2, so that also makes me wonder at the numbers. And why always one guest?

(I know that I'm contributing much to solving this mystery here--not.)

shrugs--Liz
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Hi EA,

I don't think this is a mystery we will be able to solve anytime soon! Just a reminder that only logged in DM members can view something posted in Ateliers or In Translation. I believe the poem you are referring to was posted in Ateliers? If so, then all of the views are from logged in Delectable Mnts board members. Anyone who is not a DM board member literally cannot access Ateliers or In Translation.

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Two items of business.

~Notice the message posted by one of Runboard's administrators, Erica, called "Runboard Official Notification." Picked at random, we've been entered into a contest for Runboard recognition. Erica spells out how anyone can vote for Delectable Mnts. The prize is a whole bunch of free credits for viewing. Normally I buy credits for our board. This keeps the banner space free of advertisements. Recently I was surprised when our premium credit count ran out. Due, I think, to me not paying attention and to the many mystery viewers (and views) not closely followed. So the free credits would be great. Mostly, however, the contest is designed to bring attention to our board through out the consortium of boards.

~Second item. At the top of every forum there is a sticky/closed topic. The topic is intended to give protocol and purpose of that particular forum. Additionally, in the Art of Conversation forum board-wide protocol is given. Rules are few and primarily intended to facilitate viewing and participation.

On a lighter note, down in New Orleans there's this great saying. 'If you like what you find here tell all your friends. If you don't like what you find don't tell nobody.'

Tere
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hi Tere,

I voted for us and had a look around at the other boards. Always interesting.

Chris
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