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http://bakheva.runboard.com/t15455

The EA madness stops here.

Tere

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EA madness has stopped.

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Thank you, Shabfriend.

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I don't much see poets posting their poetry commenting on other poems posted by others. That is a sad, sad commentary to me. On poets. If the trend continues I might change the board rule and require every poet posting a poem comment on at least two poems posted. Please don't make me do that. Give at least as much as you ask for.

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Tere has often remarked that witches have a saying: "Done is done." When what is done can't be undone, it's time to move on. Forgive and forget, with well wishes all around, but move on.

The world wide web is a very big place. There are tons of writing boards online, and Runboard has its share:

Books and Writing
Boards about Authors, Anthologies, Series, Fandoms or just Writing
Forum moderators: chefkim


 http://btherunboarddirectory.runboard.com/f19

With all the writing joints online, I like to think everyone who wants to can find one to call home. My advice if all else fails: Start your own board!

http://www.runboard.com/create_community




   

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Finally. I am au currant, having read every new post and, I think, having commented on all poetry and prose. Have been dragging my feet a little. Earlier unpleasantness kind of got me down. Then trying to pull together what is needed for our new IBPC membership. What a relief and an absolute treat to be able to get to what drives me. The creativeness on this board.

From time to time I look up board stats indicating traffic. 2 less in the last 24 hours there have been 1,302 page views of our board. Somebody is interested in what you sweet people are doing. It ain't just me, Kat, Chris, or any of us reading each other. Ya'll got readers, which, of course, is the big thing for any writer. Usually the number of page views per day is from 3 to 7 hundred, which in itself, given our size, is remarkable. But 1,302?

As a side note, and if it matters to some, keep in mind the board has two fora visible to board members only. Ateliers and In Translation

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The board has made a small, mostly cosmetic change.

Page views have been phenomenal lately, really disproportianate to the board's size and number of active participants. First, I need to explain that Runboard's clock is on GMT. For me, in the U.S. central time zone, this means the day starts at 7 PM my time and ends the following day at that hour. Yesterday, 11 Sept, the board's register showed 2,153 page views. In other words the board's pages were linked to that many times. Nor was yesterday the first time we have topped 2,000 in the last week or so.

The simple breakdown is this: 1,822 page views made by however many people not logged in to Runboard, and 331 page views made by people logged in to Runboard.

Issue is important for several reasons. Reason 1: are the numbers real, do they reflect actual interest in our board. My guess is that the not logged in number is not. When I look over the threads to see the amount of times they have each been clicked on to, I do not see big numbers. Reason 2: is there some sort of robotic mischief at play here, some kind of search engine action set in motion? I am suspicious there is. Reason 3 (the least important): I purchase premium credits for Delectable Mnts. $25 buys us something like 60 to 80 thousand page views free of all banner ads. On each page. Every view. The second benefit is that, viewed as a premium member board, when I go to Runboard's support staff with a query or technical problem, I get pushed to the front of the line. Time and time again this has happened. The time it takes between question asked and answer given is counted in hours, not days. For the service we get $25 is a pittance. $50 would be also.

Yesterday Katlin took the initiative. She went to Runboard's support forum and found an ongoing exchange about just the same circumstance: unaccountable page views. She alerted me to the thread. I visited the thread and found a very practical suggestion.

Our board has a control panel. There I can perform all the mechanical functions pertinent to display, configurations, fora creations, etc. There is one page called miscellaneous settings, some of which settings scare the Tom T. Hall out of me, for fear of taking some inadvertant action that might vaporize us all. There I found the pertinent setting and made an adjustment.

Now when someone comes to the board not logged in as a member of Runboard they will see ads. As soon as they log in to Runboard, come to our board the ads disappear. A very long explanation leading up to a very simple action. What this means for me, site owner, in the fudiciary way, I no longer spend credits on not logged in page viewers and page views. Scroll back to the top. There is a huge difference between views made by people logged in and not logged in.

The big thing for me is not the money. I got a day time job so I am doing all right. The big thing for me is, well, let me explain it this way. Creating this board amounted to an act of protest. I grew extraordinarily tired of poetry boards. All the hypocrisies, the power plays, the little fiefdoms, the clicks. The inauthenticities. There is something inauthentic about all of these not logged in page views. I don't want to be party to it.

So. If any member objects to the change let me know. Let Chris know. Let Katlin know. Change not set in stone.

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Terreson said:

“I don't much see poets posting their poetry commenting on other poems posted by others. That is a sad, sad commentary to me. On poets. If the trend continues I might change the board rule and require every poet posting a poem comment on at least two poems posted. Please don't make me do that. Give at least as much as you ask for.

Tere”


This is a terrible idea and I can’t believe that the administrator of any poetry blog who said the following would express this view:


“The big thing for me is, well, let me explain it this way. Creating this board amounted to an act of protest. I grew extraordinarily tired of poetry boards. All the hypocrisies, the power plays, the little fiefdoms, the clicks. The inauthenticities.”


First, who exactly are these poetry critics? Are they qualified to judge poetry? Do they have a degree in English, an MFA? Do you have any idea how much damage this can do? I remember when I first posted my poems publicly on the internet I was besieged by critics who condemned and mocked my poetry. The funny thing, though, was that most of these people misspelled almost every word and had no concept whatsoever of correct grammar. Yet they appointed themselves as poetry critics.

Luckily, I was an old coot with six published books under my belt who not only didn’t give a particular damn what they said but was also confident in my work because, over fifty years of writing, I had had a great deal of positive feedback by people who WERE qualified to judge poetry.

But what about a young poet of eighteen or twenty now who has the courage to post a poem publicly and then gets torn to shreds by idiots who can’t put two words together? There is both a psychological and emotional impact to this, especially for someone as sensitive and vulnerable as a poet. For crying out loud, kids today are committing suicide simply because they are made fun of by their classmates on Facebook. Who the hell has the right to criticize a poem? You either like it or you don’t. Unless you are qualified to judge you should keep your mouth shut.

Keep in mind that John Keats was devastated by the negative reviews of his work, yet not one person today remembers those critics. But we all remember John Keats.

GBF
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Then, there is the option of commenting without criticism. Perhaps friendly greetings, just to let each other know someone is reading what we post, might do.

Hey, Gary. Good to read you.
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I agree, libramoon.

(Libra, you say...I'm a Gemini/Dragon...I'm told that we're supposed to be friends) emoticon

But, ummm...only two of you have replied to my recent post in Field Notes. Not such a friendly greeting, eh?
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Okay. As site owner, guess I got to cowboy up, as the saying goes. Not actually wanting to. Working for scientists, even a physically easy week is hard on the brain.

Gary, of the first of my two comments you cite, upon the reread, you'll see no mention is made of the critical comment. Of all the fora here devoted to creative expression, there are six, only two are committed to the critic/writer dialogue. As Libra has pointed out, there are many different ways of commenting, responding. There are some poets who want the hard crit. I know you don't. Both ways are fine and dandy by me. But on your topic, man, you are not just speaking to the choir here, you are speaking to the pulpit. Board rules could not have been more deliberate.

About the second comment of mine you cite. The thought involved inauthenticity. Right? Honestly, I find the poet coming to a poetry board, this is a board involving people and not a blog, who demands attention to his poetry without attending to the poetry of others, his confreres, amounts to inauthenticity too.

Gary, I have a huge favor to ask. Stop coming around every two months or so slinging a machete. There is no conversation without the quid pro quo.

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I'm sorry to have imposed on you, Tere. It's just that I enjoy sharing my poems with people (which is, after all, why I even write them) and was very troubled by your suggestion that in order to do this it should be necessary that one also be a critic and comment on other poems. I am not (and I don't believe ANYBODY is) qualified to be a poetry critic. The art is way too subjective for this. As they say, one man's trash is another man's treasure. What gives anybody the right to judge poetry? Just because one person hates a poem doesn't mean that a million more won't love it.

Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended you. I will trouble you no more.

GBF
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quote:

GaryBFitzgerald wrote:

I'm sorry to have imposed on you, Tere. It's just that I enjoy sharing my poems with people (which is, after all, why I even write them) and was very troubled by your suggestion that in order to do this it should be necessary that one also be a critic and comment on other poems. I am not (and I don't believe ANYBODY is) qualified to be a poetry critic. The art is way too subjective for this. As they say, one man's trash is another man's treasure. What gives anybody the right to judge poetry? Just because one person hates a poem doesn't mean that a million more won't love it.

Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended you. I will trouble you no more.

GBF



Again, for a second time, I did not suggest anyone should crit a poem or poet. Crit is good, you bet. The comment, riposte, is sometimes better.

Gary, do what you need to do. My sense is that you just want to be heard. That is cool. Listening, on the other hand, is sometimes cooler.

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Hi Gary,

Just to reiterate Tere's point, I am requoting the comment you took issue with (italics mine):

“I don't much see poets posting their poetry commenting on other poems posted by others. That is a sad, sad commentary to me. On poets. If the trend continues I might change the board rule and require every poet posting a poem comment on at least two poems posted. Please don't make me do that. Give at least as much as you ask for.
 
Tere”

Also, as Tere pointed this board has two critique forums, one for poetry, the other for prose. It also has one forum, Ateliers, that is designed so that each member can ask for the kind of feedback s/he wants. There are several forums that are specifically not critique forums. Some folks like and value critique; some don't. BTW, you seem to be confusing critiquing with criticism. A critique of a poem might give it two thumbs up.

Quid pro quo simply means: If a member posts a piece for comment or critique, why not comment or critique a piece or two in return?
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Gary and all. I had actually forgotten about my 13 Aug post until Gary brought it forward. Today is 17 September. We just missed our third anniversary. Board was created on 13 September, '08. I've decided against my suggestion that prompted Gary's post. We've managed to keep alive and often times lively without any kind of quota requirement for participation. It will continue to rely on its members simply wanting to play and maybe on the kindness of strangers. Happy anniversary everyone.

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March 11, 2009 – Terreson said:

“Well, Gary, I have to throw the question back to you. Have you connected with anyone else's point of view on the board enough to comment on their philosophical point of view? You get what you give, man. Something for a philosopher to think about.

Tere”



March 11, 2009 – Gary B. Fitzgerald said:

“Quid pro quo, Tere, like you once said. I understand.

But, first off, I don't critique or review other people's poetry. Ever. Anywhere. I don't presume to be so qualified. I only write poems, old friend.

Secondly, I posted this poem here specifically because of your reply to me on Clattery MacHinery regarding criticism on poetry forums. You said that 'Chalkboard and Billboard' at Delectable Mountains was a place where one could post a poem without being criticized.

GBF”



March 14, 2009 – Gary B. Fitzgerald said:

“Tere said:

‘Sorry about that, Gary. I confess to having difficulty figuring out the kind of responses you want.’

The responses I want are whatever the hell someone has to say, of course. I just don't need any poetry critiques. I didn't write poetry to stick it in my desk drawer, as they say, and I published it to share it. Love or hate it, no matter. I only want people to enjoy it if they do. But everyone wants to be an editor. Everyone wants have a poetry study group. In my opinion, duets are for singers and groups are for therapy. I'm just trying to have fun.

GBF”



March 14, 2009 – Gary B. Fitzgerald said:


“I’d like to clarify my comments, above, regarding critiques. I welcome and encourage REVIEWS of my poems, good or bad. 'This poem sucks! It didn’t touch me. It’s stupid!' is just fine. 'I think this is the best poem ever written.' is even better. emoticon

Like any poet I seek reaction, crave response, pro or con. I just don’t need the poem to be rewritten. It’s done, finished, final. Go write your own poems. If you see a goof…a misspelled word or grammatical inconsistency, shout it out, of course, but I don’t need any editorial suggestions. I have written exactly what I wanted to write and spent many an hour doing it. Take it or leave it. That’s not so wrong, is it?

GBF”



September 17, 2011 – Katlin said:

“Hi Gary,

[]…BTW, you seem to be confusing critiquing with criticism. A critique of a poem might give it two thumbs up. “




Really? I herewith rest my case. After three years of posting on this board, eighteen years of education and fifty years of writing poetry someone is now going to explain to me my confusion between critiquing and criticism. Surely you jest.

This is exactly why I am opposed to anyone telling anybody else what should be changed or corrected in a poem. As I said, exactly who is it that thinks they are qualified to judge?


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"Critique is commonly understood as fault finding and negative judgement..."

Wikipedia

[Criticism is] 1. the act of passing judgment as to the merits of anything.
2. the act of passing severe judgment; censure; fault finding.

Dictionary.com
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Since we are leaving our common sense behind and citing online sources....

Literary Criticism is the study, evaluation, and interpretation of literature.

Poetry analysis is the process of investigating a poem's form, content, and history in an informed way, with the aim of heightening one's own and others' understanding and appreciation of the work.
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Hi Gary,

You wrote:

Really? I herewith rest my case. After three years of posting on this board, eighteen years of education and fifty years of writing poetry someone is now going to explain to me my confusion between critiquing and criticism. Surely you jest.

This was the definition of critique I was thinking of:

1cri·tique/krəˈti:k/noun
plural cri·tiques

[count] : a careful judgment in which you give your opinion about the good and bad parts of something (such as a piece of writing or a work of art)


http://www.learnersdictionary.com/search/critique[1]

So, no, I wasn't joking.

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Thanks, Shabfriend. Yeah. That pretty much sums up the case.


Fitzgerald, I think you miss something in the thread.

Tere
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deepwaters & Katlin: Okay. I'll buy that. You win. My intent was not to make people angry here, just to make a point about board mandated poetry critiques.

deepwaters, I'll be out looking for my common sense and, VR, hopefully the point I'm missing.

Been a pleasure knowing you all. Sorry you're all so defensive. One has to wonder why. Since you don't know the first thing about me I'm sure it can't be personal.

Good luck, fellow poets!
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Sorry you're all so defensive. One has to wonder why. Since you don't know the first thing about me I'm sure it can't be personal.

Gary,

Yes, I agree we are being defensive if this is the definition of defensive you are using:

2 a: devoted to resisting or preventing aggression or attack <defensive behavior>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/defensive

One has to wonder why you are attacking us. Since you don't know the first thing about us, I'm sure it can't be personal, eh?

You don't need to leave unless you want to, but stay or go: Good luck to you too.

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Fitzgerald, your complaint with this board is misplaced and makes no sense. Upthread I already said that of the board's 6 fora devoted to artistic expression, only 2 allow the critic/artist dialogue.

Maybe I need to state the case differently. Delectable Mnts has 6 fora devoted to literary expression, two of which are intended for the exchange between artist and critic.

What does this mean? It means that in 4 of the board's fora you or anybody can post poetry and or prose and make your own rules on how it is received, taken in, responded to. You name me a poetry board that allows such latitude.

I don't just reject, I resent your latest comments. Name me a board more allowing than this one. You cannot. And I can demonstrate the point. Let me be clear. Your complaint is stupid.

Do I feel defensive about your comments? No. My position, this board's position, is pretty sure of itself. We are after poetry and other things too.
 
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Katlin:

You’ve got a lot of damn nerve! I was here long before you ever were and communicated with Terreson for years before he started this board. I knew him from Harriet and Poets.net and Clattery MacHinery before he ever started Delectable Mountains.

Yet you say: “One has to wonder why you are attacking US. Since you don't know the first thing about US, I'm sure it can't be personal, eh?

US, is it? I, sweet darling, have been one of US since day one! Where were you? How dare you?

And, Tere. I’m just “Fitzgerald” now, is that it? You were one of the first to make positive comments about my poetry on the internet. You were also the first to refer to me as ‘GBF’ a moniker that I have used ever since and (as luck would have it) is now widely recognized in the poetry internet world.

I never understood why Arthur Durkee and Pat Jones got so mad at you and abandoned the site, but maybe I’m getting a clue here.


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quote:

GaryBFitzgerald wrote:

Katlin:

You’ve got a lot of damn nerve! I was here long before you ever were and communicated with Terreson for years before he started this board. I knew him from Harriet and Poets.net and Clattery MacHinery before he ever started Delectable Mountains.

Yet you say: “One has to wonder why you are attacking US. Since you don't know the first thing about US, I'm sure it can't be personal, eh?

US, is it? I, sweet darling, have been one of US since day one! Where were you? How dare you?



Hey Gary,

I have known Tere, and Chris and Shab, since we all posted at poets.org many years ago. Tere invited the three of us to post on a small, private board here on Runboard after he left poets.org. After numerous discussions with him on the way various poetry boards were run, I issued him a challenge: "Start your own damn board!" Which he did, and together we, Tere and I, set up this board. I was involved in deciding everything from which forums to include to what color scheme to use. "US" it is, nor do I use the term lightly!

I don't appreciate the patronizing, condescending tone you are taking here, little darlin. emoticon I much prefer the GBF who wrote the following:

http://bdelectablemnts.runboard.com/t1277

Hope you enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj1AesMfIf8

PAX and emoticon
Kat

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Let's don't go down this road, man. Please. I've known you for a long time. I've responded to the wisdom in your poetry and I've encouraged you. Like you I've worked alone in poetry. Also like you it is hard sometimes to accept the lack of recognition I think my poetry, all my writing actually, deserves. But so it goes.

Sometimes when people get angry it really means their feelings are hurt. If I am to blame for hurt feelings I am sure sorry. I've tried three times now to answer your initial complaint. I don't know what else to do.

To be clear, however, there would be no Delectable Mnts, certainly not as it is constituted, without Kat. Maybe I should state as much more frequently so that everyone knows. She has been in on it since the beginning. Much of the design, protocol, and content is of her making. The forum, In Translation, especially is her baby. By the way, Katlin was also in on the Clattery MacHinery episode. In fact it was her idea to submit my pee in the pool essay to Clattery in the first place.

Also to be clear, and since you bring up past nastiness, Durkee and Jones did not quit this board. They were refused membership for deliberately, knowingly looking to hurt the board. And me. They were two of my oldest on line friends. I still mourn the loss. So please let that go too.

One last item, Gary. This board does not look to promote or nurture what is rightly called a culture of argumnent. If I've hurt your feelings I am sorry. If we can get back to that irregularly scheduled program of poetry, thinking, and exchanges, let's make it so.

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Tere and Katlin:

Yes, my feelings were hurt. I’m sorry if I took things personally. I guess I felt a little ganged-up on. I was expressing a ‘Board Business’ opinion about mandated critiques (criticism, whatever). I don’t believe that one should be forced to comment on other poems in order to post a poem. Yes, Tere, I know there are fora here where criticism is not encouraged, but requiring it on any forum in order to get your own poem commented on seemed unfair to me.

It all started when you, Tere, made your ‘machete’ remark. I didn’t come here to attack anybody, just to express an opinion. This board has always been very welcoming and kind to me and I suppose I was a little taken aback.

In one of my recent comments on ‘Field Notes’ I provided a link to a blog that addressed my little dust-up with John Gallaher. John has replied to the blog posting and I then replied to him. My comment may be appropriate here as well:

"John Gallaher said,

September 16, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Gary was not banned from commenting on my blog. I just asked him to leave. He’s since been back, commenting and posting more of his poems. You can even check. See how happy we all are?

 
Gary B. Fitzgerald said,

September 16, 2011 at 11:10 pm
I have said it before and I’ll say it again: John Gallaher is one of the good guys. He is correct…I have commented on his blog yet again.

His is probably one of the most intelligent and entertaining blogs out there which is why I just can’t resist visiting.

I comment on occasion on about ten or fifteen poetry blogs and I will admit that I only crank up the ol’ computer when I’m pretty much !@#$-faced, so I apologize to all of you. I usually behave but sometimes I tend to be a little, shall we say, outspoken. It’s all in good fun to me. After all, considering the situation our nation and planet are in, poetry doesn’t really rank very high on the significance index. Pardon me if I don’t take things as seriously as some think I should.

Hey…I’m a poet. I’m Irish. I’m unemployed. I’m broke. I’m drunk. Give me a break!

GBF

P.S: John: Many of my favorite bars have turned out to be the one’s I’ve been kicked out of. I don’t sweat it. Life is basically just water under the bridge for most of us anyway."

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Been thinking. Seems I have been remiss. Past time to make something real clear.

Delectable Mnts is not Terreson's board. It is a board in which every participating member has ownership by stint of sweat equity. Not a member here who doesn't own some part of the real estate. This includes Katlin and Chris.

Kat created this board with me. I cannot express what an exacting co-creator she was. She faught me, she sweated bullets over everything from format to content, she challenged every angle in design, she questioned in the exacting way, she insisted on what she wanted. In short, she displayed a talent for pissing me off. Largely because she was all too often right. I did not shape this board. She is one of those theater types who mostly keep behind the scene making sure the play's deus ex machina keeps operational.

About Chris. Chris too was here in the beginning. Exactly why I don't know. She only speaks up when she feels like speaking up. That is her way. A few months into the project I asked her to be a moderator. Again for reasons I don't know she said yes. I do know that a much better travelled and well established poetry board wanted her as a mod and she declined. I also know that Chris checks in on our board, in her quiet way, several times in a day.

I make few board decisions not in concert with Kat and Chris. Late night decisions amount to the sometimes chancy exception. This is not Terreson's board. This is Katlin's board, Chris's board, it belongs to every member shaping it.

One last note. Don't ever dis a woman on this board. I'll call you out.

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Re: Changes to the board.



http://bdelectablemnts.runboard.com/t12

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Hi Gary,

I am sorry you felt ganged up on. Maybe I shouldn't have chimed in when I did, but I was trying to reinforce Tere's point. Nobody here wants to institute posting requirements. For one thing, it would mean more busy work for Tere, Chris and myself. That said, I understand why some boards have such policies. It would be nice to think that everyone practices quid pro quo, the grown up equivalent of "everything I needed to know I learned in kindergarten," but it doesn't always work that way. Boards with posting requirements are, I believe, trying to make things fair, or at least fairer, for all members.

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