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Re: Board Business and Updates


As requested by three members a new forum, one devoted to prose, has been added to the board. It is called the Prose Spectrum and it immediately follows the Poetry to Prose Spectrum. As with the Poetry to Prose Spectrum it is designed to accomodate the writer and critic dialogue.

Tere
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Well, board participation has certainly fallen off. For my part I apologize to member-friends for not being around much and for not coming up with topics that might be of interest. Work related duties have been demanding to the extreme, both mentally and physically. And the bayou heat has been brutal. Twice so far I've left bee yards feeling the symptoms of heat stress, as have other work mates. And so when I get home during the week, seeing to the essential chores becomes a chore in itself.

Having said as much when I started the board last September I committed myself to a two year run. Delelectable Mnts will keep open, keep in business until at least September of 2010. I will do what I can to encourage commerce. The board still strikes me as a good idea and a good environment for all manners of salon chat.

I trust all my board friends are well and thriving.

Tere
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Recent events elsewhere have peruaded me to revise the board's terms of service (TOS). With extreme reluctance, and some sadness, I have specifically included as TOSsable actions, personal attacks, slander, and the hijacking of threads by one or a few participants. Having witnessed how disruptive, even hurtful, is such behavior I would rather not see it suffered here.

I recognize this can take board management into the area of the subjective judgemment call. Thus my reluctance. But I don't see an alternative address to circumstances when conversational threads get hijacked by one or by the few.

(and again) It occurs to me I should be more up front about what gives rise to this new by-law. Within the space of less than a month four blog actors have been escorted from two blogs. The reason was for overposting (spamming) and the hijacking of threads. In reaction to which they have formed two blogs where, unfettered, they have turned to personally attacking people and to slander. Not that I reccomend the visit but here are the two new blog links.

http://alancordle.com/blog/?p=3704

http://scarriet.wordpress.com/

Very specifically this is what I want to forestall showing up on Delectable Mnts

Tere

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Okay. It being a three day weekend and all, and with Sumner's help, I have finally gotten around to judiciously pruning the board of old posts and threads either topically temporal or not having generated discussion in a very long while. Not having culled the board of threads since last spring, easily six months ago, it took us well over an hour to go through all the fora. We payed close attention to each and every thread. Anything of relevance still, and no matter its age, we kept in place. Per the board's parameters no poetry, creative or critical prose was removed. Certain of the fora were kept off limit. Sans the clutter I feel the threads more interesting are better highlighted.

Thanks Sumner. One note perhaps. The rule is that posts less than three months old are kept, no matter the circumstance. We decided on an exception to Rus Bowden's Poets and Rags notices, deciding on a shelf life of two months.

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Thank you both!

Our board
is a very, very, very
fine board

and everything is easy
cause of you...

(apologies to Crosby and Co.)

Chris
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Thanks for saying something, Chrisfriend. I kind of like what we all have started up too. It's like L.Cohen famously said. First we take Manhatten. Then we take Berlin.

Tere
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I got a question for everybody, for active and not so active members.

Ours is a small board. Actually, it is smaller than small. I believe in the board, in its latidunallness (is that a word?), in its honest people who can say and show some mighty big things simply, and in its easiness. But it is small and maybe too small.

I keep trying to think of ways to pull more people into our proceedings. Shamelessly I've started mentioning the board in other venues. I bet nobody here wants this to be a megaboard. I bet we are all gun shy of such boards. I sure as hell am. But for the board to thrive it needs a variety of voices and styles.

Tonight I contacted the IBPC man to see what are the requisites for becoming a part of the consortium. I know we got poetry going on that qualifies for IBPC nomination. I saw two today. But here again I am being kind of shameless: with the recognition would come more participants.

I am looking for feedback please. Once we have enough members do ya'll want to go IBPC?

Tere
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I can't speak for the board, Tere...I read DM daily, sometimes several times daily, but I am just coming back to comment, feeling comfortable posting.

I participate regularly on a private board that I love...it is very small but with fine poets/critters, serious threads and several threads that are just for fun.

I read daily and post now and then on Alsop, and read Eratosphere regularly, but never post there.

I do not go to or read any IPBC board anymore...my bad, perhaps. But, fact is, I tired of the crap and am no longer familiar with any IPBC board, its poems, the monthly winners, personal politics on those boards, etc.

When something begins to make my tummy hurt, I tend to give it up. : )

I fear I can be of no help in your decision, Tere, except that today my favorite board, the one I am most active on, is a private board, has about 15 active poets...several of them you'd know and all of them far better poets than I am...but we respect one another, can be harsh and encouraging...but most of all we have fun together with a weekly challenge...where we get a prompt on Monday and have to post a poem blind under a name no one knows...( not sure that's even possible to do on Runboard).

No one knows who wrote the posted poems, but all have to guess who did on Sunday.

Granted we try to fool them by bluffing, writing outside our usual style and have to confess on Sunday who wrote it, but it's a very "freeing" exercise to try to fool poets who know you so well.

I've come to love a small, active board...my advice would be to ask your current active members to invite poets they amire, not only for their poems/critique but for their fair behavior on other boards...ask them to join you in DM.

my 2 cents...which is worth about that. : )

Pat



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Tere and Pat,

Off the top of my head, I have no objection to IBPC participation. I've seen some of the stupid politics and petty stuff associated with it but don't blame the IBPC itself for that.

I'd like to see DM grow a little too, it would just seem less fragile, more durable with more active participants. Many years ago I volunteered at a small, free/sliding-scale payment counseling clinic. It was small, funky and fun to be a part of. Then it had to grow to survive. Got beauracratic , stuffy and sterile. I quit the place. Guess it's always a bit of a trade-off, huh?

Happy Sunday,

Chris
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I, too, fear the board becoming stuffy and bureaucratic. I hope that never happens. If the board becomes part of IBPC someday, I would like to see us set up a system whereby members get to nominate and then vote on which poems get sent in each month. I don't like the idea of one or two admins/mods being the ones who handle everything. I would rather not participate in IBPC than see that come to pass. Just my 2 cents, FWIW.

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Thanks, Pat and Chris, for the input. To say it again, please know that I too prefer a small board. It makes for a more relaxed environment and people are better able to interact with each other. But Chris puts it aptly. There is a cetain fragility to a board too small. Over the last year I've tried to find every which way to bring up topics that are interesting. But I wouldn't blame anyone for getting bored with my voice and topics. And so I keep trying to find ways to interest new and old friends to our proceedings. I've probably said this before. But I honestly think ours is one of the best poetry board ideas around. I especially like its salon-like character. It allows for a latitude not found elsewhere. And so I am committed to keeping it up.

Also to say it again I've been chatting up the board in other venues and with people I meet elsewhere who strike me as fun. And you bet I encourage all members to extend the same invitation.

About the IBPC notion, first off, right now it is a moot point, since, our membership is too small to qualify. We would have to grow a little first. And maybe the way to go would be to bring up the topic again once we do qualify. For now I just want to put the idea out for everyone to mull over. And I too am familiar with the nastiness that has been on display on a few IBPC associated boards. But I am confident the politics involved has been particular to the board(s) and not a reflection of IBPC itself. (Boards who perhaps take the contest too seriously?) Also, I've noted that it has new poetry boards playing, boards new to me at least.

Thanks again for speaking up. I hope others do too. If and when the time comes perhaps we should put it to a board-wide vote?

Tere
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Tere,

Yes, a board vote regarding participation in IBPC when, and if, the time comes is a good idea. Hope I didn't jump the gun by raising the issue of how our potential IBPC participation will be handled, but the how of the process will be, for me, an important factor in my vote.
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As it should be, Katfriend, and no you didn't jump the gun. It's all process in my view. Thanks for speaking up too.

I now see we were cross-posting. Sorry for not seeing your post before I made mine. That is how I would like to proceed also, with a full board vote for every nomination. Speaking for myself, at least, I would not want the sole responsibility. And, speaking as an admin, I might consider disqualifying myself, which eventually is something else we can decide on as a group.

I guess the main thing for me is that I would want it all to be fun, simple fun.

Tere

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quote:

Also to say it again I've been chatting up the board in other venues and with people I meet elsewhere who strike me as fun. And you bet I encourage all members to extend the same invitation.



I sent an email with an invitation and a link to the board to all the members of several writers groups in my local area. They are a bunch of nice people who have a passion for writing, so I am hoping some of them will be interested in participating in an online venue and join us.
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quote:

I guess the main thing for me is that I would want it all to be fun, simple fun.



Yay, fun! That's the ticket. Even when it's serious, it should still be fun, a deep down pleasure.
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Good on you, Katfriend. I say we bring all local writers' groups over to the virtual side.

Tere
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I've made a few slight formatting changes to the board. If I did the job right no one will notice except maybe to get the impression things are more streamlined and better organized.

Tere
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I did hear from a few people in my local writing groups that they are reluctant to post online because they are afraid someone will steal their work. Well, it's certainly possible and I've seen instances on other boards where members claim that has happened. What do you all think? I mentioned Ateliers is open only to members of the board and that one could delete a thread there after a week or two, but the issue of plagiarism is probably something we should discuss. Has it come up here before? I can't remember.
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I don't think the fear is all that great for plagiarism...althouh I know of some cases...I've seen one instance personally with art, but not a poem. It is not my fear, but I think many who wish to submit, publish are fearful of a workshop that has work that can be Googled and if found, considered published by some print and online journals that require no previous pubs...but there are many fine journals that are not that rigid.

Since Kat mentioned it earlier today, I'll give an example, the poems...two I feel are among my best..that she noted that I submitted to the Guardian and were shortlisted there, have been turned down by two journals because they considered them previously published. Same with two on the noted board of Alsop Review. For those journals, the same would be true with any poem that makes it into IPBC...first, second, third or honorable mention...it's considered published.
  
I've always been pleased when a poem is well received wherever I post it, and benefit from all the crit/comments I get to make it better...and I repeat, many fine journals do not consider a workshopped poem as published and will note a previous publication if you tell them.

And that is as it should be...why should a poem have no life after it has been workshopped on a poetry board? That's what workshops are for...to get feedback, crit, comments that might make the poem better... publishable if that's the poet's desire.

Pat

 

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Hi all,

Just a note to let you know I moved a few threads to different forums this morning. Tere has moved threads before, but this is my first time doing so. Moving threads can be tricky because there aren't always hard and fast rules about what should go where. Sometimes Tere and I agree a thread should be moved; sometimes we don't. Even when we agree something should be moved, we don't always agree where it should be moved to! (Great minds do not always think alike. emoticon) We usually move threads if we feel the thread is off-topic to the forum it has been posted in and/or we feel a thread would be better served, i.e., would get more attention in another forum. I sent an email to members whose posts I moved, so they wouldn't think their threads had been deleted.
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It works for me, Katfriend. Thanks especially for giving the general heads-up. Business is best this way.

Tere
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Two issues or questions involving board protocol have been raised recently on two separate threads. I've spent time thinking about them: should I respond, how to respond, what to respond with. So I've decided to respond, decided to respond here so as not to detract from the topic-related conversations in progress, and I've figured out what, as an admin type, I think.

One member has expressed concern that perhaps he has posted too frequently, at too great a length, on a topic that clearly engages him. For me at least he has done neither. His interest clearly comes through and he has as clearly looked to engage other members. Engagement. The key to salon-like conversation. Perhaps some witnessed, last September, the scene of three posters at Clattery MacHinery's who dominated a blog conversation and who, almost daily, turned the conversation to their own preoccupations. In the end, after a full month, they were escorted out the door. At first I was unsettled on whether or not they should have been treated in the way they were. I had to think the problem through. Especially, since, as many people know, I find banning so abhorent. Then I realized something. Spam is spam no matter its form. The members had effectively shut down the conversation, robbing the blog of any chance of engagement. I call this spam. (Well, sometimes I call it talibaning.) To me, then, there is a categorical difference between passionate conversation and the diatribe involving fixed ideas and either not allowing other views or, even, putting down other members for their views.

Second item. Another member has expressed an interest in a kind of exchange of ideas between conversations here and at another board. If I understand the situation correctly, at the other board there is some concern about criticism of boards in general, poetry boards specifically. Here are my thoughts:

First, I encourage interboard communications, without which any board is bound to suffer from a kind of inbreeding, something that gets demonstrated time and time again in the online poetry board community. Secondly, speaking as the author of an essay critical of poetry board practices at their worst, I am also now a board administrator. As such I have a responsibility to show professional courtesy to other boards here, on Delectable Mnts. This, however, has not kept me from airing my views critical of board practices on other blogs and poetry boards. And I reserve the right to speak up anytime, anywhere. But, and this is the biggest but, Delectable Mnts does not look to monitor, censor, redirect, or (most insidiously) modulate comments and expressions made by its members. As set out in our 'Art of Conversation' forum the board's protocol could not be clearer. Dialogue is in, is inclusive. The personal attack is what is out. If there are issues to be raised concerning certain inhibitions to the vitality of poetry then there are issues to be raised here or anywhere else. And at the expense of repeating myself, since, the emphasis is important, no member of Delectable Mnts gets modulated either in conversation, topic, or tone, except, of course, with respect to the basic TOS protocol.

Tere

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Coming back to a topic here. From time to time threads have been moved from one forum to another. It occurs to me tonight that Delectable Mnts, her organization, is slightly different from what gets found on other (mostly) poetry boards. I get that the board's artfull, slight dishevelment might cause some head scratching. If a thread gets moved the intention is to better highlight, bring attention to, the topic. I hope the intention comes through.

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It's !@#$ difficult all this stuff, isn't it. In the end we went with just unbanning everyone who had ever been banned and declaring the entire tcp.org unmoderated. We haven't had any major episodes of abuse etc since then, so I'm not quite sure what we would do if, for instance, someone came online issuing a load of homophobic or racist invective at a member. I like to think this stuff can be handled in a community sense, as in the response from the members would do the job itself in an organic way rather than us have to resort to banning. But I'm also aware that some people just won't quit, and if you get a real case of someone who is only there to attack other people and is impervious to appeals, then maybe banning is all you have left. I suppose it's like an event at someone's house where someone freaks out and starts abusing someone and won't stop.

Always extremely difficult stuff politically, though. I'm quite proud that we weathered a few storms like that at .org where people kept coming back and leaving quite heavy and obscene abuse to some of the women members. But they were entirely capable of dealing with it themselves and there ended up being no issue really. This is a thing in itself really. Most of our members at tcp.org are over 40, and are quite capable of dealing with some abuse from some random anonymous tosser online. No one needs to jump in on their behalf. I used to worry too much about it until I realised that.

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Good on ya, Steve. And good on what your board has managed to make happen. This little spot has yet been tested in the way you mean. And I hope it never is. Probably a fool's hope.

In my rich interior life, as a friend I love and lost was fond of saying, all I want on my poetry board Christmas is the creative exchange.

Tere
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Two business updates:

My PC will probably have to go to the shop and it will have to be this week, the last week of both the year and my warranty. Per SOP Katfriend (Sumner) has agreed to check in from time to time. So she will be able to help anyone with questions.

Being convinced the board is about to grow, and sooner rather than later, I've asked Chris D if she would help out as a mod. And too there is that my job will start demanding more time and attention again in another month or so. And Katfriend has said go for it. Chris has agreed to help out. I don't know when the change will happen. Maybe some time within a fortnight. While there is no immediate need, I still want to give Chris time to familiarize herself with the admin functions.

Tere

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Okay. Slight change to the immediately preceding post. I just realized how much I have to do this week, a short week. Personal stuff, business stuff, work stuff. I've gone ahead and given Chris D mod status. This way it is done and she has time to get used to the slightly unwieldly Control Panel stuff, what still dizzies my head.

So there it is. I hope she still lets me call her Chrisfriend.

Tere
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Great choice, Tere! We'll miss you but you can rest assured the board is in good hands.

We are nice lot, promise to not make too much mischief while you are gone. : )

And a big welcome to Chris and thanks, as always, to Kat

Pat

Although we all could write a poem about him while he's gone...you know? I have dibs on "Florida Cracker Poet" for a title. : )

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Thanks for the welcome, Pat. I'm thinking of a Tere poem already.

Tere, "Chrisfriend" suits me fine, even if I get gummed up and mangled in the gears of the dreaded Control Panel.

Chris
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Chris, thanks for taking this on. You have been a stalwart contributor to this board from day one, so much so, that without your unflagging support and participation, I'm not sure there would still be a board. You and Tere kept the lights on over some lean months this past summer. Your help is much appreciated.
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