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We are nice lot, promise to not make too much mischief while you are gone. : )

Pat,

There was a comment a week or so ago (I hope you know the one I am referring to) that I thought you handled beautifully. I've been meaning to tell you that and to say thank you. Steve mentioned that there are many capable people at tcp.org when it comes to handling "difficult stuff" when it occasionally comes up. I think that is also true of folks here. So, I would add to your comment: "We are a nice and capable lot." As to the rest of your remark, well, I don't know. While the cat's away, the mice might play. . . . LOL Just joking, Tere. emoticon
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Thanks, Kat...don't know which comment you are referring to, but glad to hear I responded okay. : )

And,not to worry, Tere. I said not TOO much mischief...a little mischief is a good thing. : )

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Shoot, my friends. This ship pretty much steers herself anyway, which is good for me, since, I get to play more.

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So the pc does not go into the shop until after the weekend, which is just as well.

I've been thinking about something and I want to put it out there for everyone to think about too. But up-front please understand this is a suggestion only.

The notion comes to me by chance. Months ago a member asked to see some of my poetry. I was reluctant to post the material at first, frankly not wanting to see my name plastering the page(s). As some know I have more poems than is seemly. But I started a thread in the Poetry Spectrum forum for poems from my most recent collection, Bottom City Blues. I can't remember how much is there but it is a bunch. And I like the idea of one thread for poems from the collection as it gives a sense of continuity, context and cohesion. An added, unintended and I think desirable effect is that, while the thread moves up and down the page, other poets get a goodly share of first page page-space. I like this a lot. Especially, since, we all know that what gets pushed to the second page tends to get unnoticed and quickly.

I am seriously considering extending the practice. And for the two reasons already given. It gives a sense of cohesion, damn near becomes a narrative in poetry, and it saves up-front, first page space for other members. In addition to the Bottom City Blues thread I am thinking of a thread called something like Terreson Poetry. Or maybe I'll call it Bitter Root and Sweet, which is the title of my first collection and strikes me as pretty comprehensive of all six collections to date and of what i keep going after. Bitter Root and Sweet. What better definition of experience is there anyway?

Yep. This is what I am going to do with, of course, the occassional exception. I invite other members to consider a similar approach. The post's time stamp should be enough to signal the poem's, and the ensueing discussion's, currency. It might even be helpful to the posting poet, better enabling her own sense of poetic development with raw material put up for crit. Something to think about.

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Tere, I think it is a great idea. Would something similar to your current collections, be possible for other members to have and get feedback and crit from the poet/critters here? I ask because I have been urged to put together a manuscript of the "Taylor" poems which certainly have a common theme...seems to me they would have a very narrow audience, but then who knows?

To take on a task like that, I would need lots of help with refining, etc. Could it be set up in a separate thread like Tere's collection, Chris's Collection, etc. so it would not take up space on the regular poetry forum? Or am I missing your intent? Just thinking off the cuff here..

Pat

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Pat, you got the intention just fine and I see you added to the possibility. Chris's Collection, Pat's Collection, Kat's Collection, etc. strikes me as a good idea. The forum Ateliers was designed with the same idea in mind, right? A place for longer works and collections too. But I can see the same possibility working in a forum strictly designed for crit as well. It sure works for me. I see it as viable for both posting poet and other posting poets who, because of the space saved, get to share front page space. Come to think of it, posting poet then gets to present and read her material in one thread, rather than the stuff getting scattered and spread across the cybersphere.

Anyway, maybe the notion has no appeal to some, which is fine too. As a friend of mine is fond of saying, I am romancing it. It is how I mostly intend to proceed.

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I like "romancing" it, too...in a real workshop sense, not the usual worshop board sense....but helping each other pull a fine collection...or more than one... of poems together. To do that is a daunting task...fiends, poets and good critics helping might get me to try.

But no promises on that...even though I am itching to try. I bet others are, too.

Pat

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Just so we are clear on intentions, Pat. I am also thinking it would be cool to free up front page space for other poets. Every post drives down the page another poet's poem. If we all bundle our stuff others get the front page attention too.

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I like the idea of a studio type space for collections that incorporates crit. Less unwieldy than putting collections in the main poetry thread...but they might get less traffic, less input. Either way, I'd love to read collections of members' work.

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What about the Ateliers? I thought that's what those were for? (Not that anybody reads in there all that much.) Is this a duplication of purpose?

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One caveat:

The reason to post a poem individually is so you get feedback and critique. It facilitates a dialogue about that one poem. It allows everyone, including the writer, to focus more closely on that one poem, to achieve its betterment.

I'd hate to see that get lost amidst this current enthusiasm.

I find it pretty much impossible to track critiques on threads with multiple poems being critiqued on the same thread. Unless the only feedback is "that's nice."

As for poems falling off the front page, that's inevitable. After a certain period of time, you're not going to get more comments on a poems months old, anyway. Or rarely. So I don't see that as a problem that needs to be solved.

At present, the poem at the bottom of page one on Poetry Spectrum is 6 or 7 months old. Everything current is on the top half of page one anyway.

In other words, this board doesn't move so fast that poems falling off the bottom of page one seems to be really much of a problem at all. if this is all anticipation that this might becoming a faster-moving board, I can see the reasoning. But the time to evolve a solution for that is when it happens.

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What you say makes sense, Chrisfriend. And as Dragon also points out Ateliers is the perfect spot for posting collections and longer works with or without crit. That was part of its purpose anyway.

And I hope everyone understands I am making a suggestion only on how each of us can treat the Poetry Spectrum space, but only if you want to. This is not a procedural rule change I am proposing. (With any luck we will not have any more rules as such. I think we got enough.) Posting poems singly is cool by me too.

I figure to adopt the idea mostly. I have found plenty of good feed back on each of the poems in the Bottom City Blues thread as I have added them and over time. So I am satisfied it can work. But of course I have single poems on the forum too. I guess I am only trying to figure out how I can less plaster the first page with my own stuff and make more room for all members. That is pretty much all.

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Okay boardmates. PC is up and running again with a brand new hard drive. I don't know about anyone else, but I've come to enjoy my contacts with customer service people in India. It's the kind of service we used to enjoy in America. And I've noticed something else. Sometimes the tech on the other end has a distinctly American accent. I had heard Americans are finding work in India. It is true.

Something else. From time to time I miss posts. I just don't see them, especially if they are further up the thread. And it is probably going to happen more as the board becomes more active. My aim is to engage all my friends here. Sometimes, however, I am bound to miss a post.

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quote:

Terreson wrote:

My aim is to engage all my friends here. Sometimes, however, I am bound to miss a post.

Tere



Duly noted emoticon
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Catching up on some board business. I like the idea of posting a collection of poems in Ateliers if one is seeking feedback on the collection as a whole: the overall organization, flow between poems, relative strength of indivdual poems to the whole, etc. I like the idea of posting related poems in either the Poetry Spectrum or Ateliers. In the Ateliers, I'd probably post them as a group to get feedback on how they worked together. In the Poetry Spectrum, I'd probably post one poem at at time and wait for a while between postings to make sure I had gotten a few critiques on one poem before proceeding to the next. I think there can be an advatange to keeping poems that are related either in terms of style or content in one thread for easier comparison. But that's just me. Everyone is free to do what works best and is most comfortable for them.

In an ideal world it would be possible to comment on everything everyone else posts. I do try to at least read/look at/listen to most of the posts that are made to the board, but I know that if the board grows I will be less likely to do that. That's why I think it would be okay if someone wants a response to a post they made, from someone who hasn't commented, to just go ahead and ask them, "Hey, what do you think about xx?" I think most people would be receptive and responsive to such a request.

I would also like to encourage people who want to comment in discussions threads, but hesitate because they don't feel they have the right scholarly or educational background, to go ahead and do so. I've been on boards where folks were discouraged from commenting by people who were, or thought they were, more knowledgeable, and I didn't like it. That's intellectual snobbery and educational elitism at its worst, and I have little patience for it. It's true anyone of of us may say something that reveals our ignorance on a certain topic, and nobody knows everything about everything, but there is no reason why another member can't provide the missing information without being condescending and patronizing. Nobody knows what they don't know; speak up and don't talk down: That's my motto--or rather the one I'm working on cultivating! emoticon

P.S. I've also been trying to cultivate the ability to ask questions, perhaps dumb ones, and to say, "I don't know." Also, "Oops, I was wrong." or "I made a mistake." or "I'm sorry I was so off-base, out-of-line." Scary at first, but getting easier. Kind of liberating actually.

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quote:

Katlin wrote:

I would also like to encourage people who want to comment in discussions threads, but hesitate because they don't feel they have the right scholarly or educational background, to go ahead and do so. I've been on boards where folks were discouraged from commenting by people who were, or thought they were, more knowledgeable, and I didn't like it. That's intellectual snobbery and educational elitism at its worst, and I have little patience for it. It's true anyone of of us may say something that reveals our ignorance on a certain topic, and nobody knows everything about everything, but there is no reason why another member can't provide the missing information without being condescending and patronizing. Nobody knows what they don't know; speak up and don't talk down: That's my motto--or rather the one I'm working on cultivating!



I absolutely agree on all this. My problem with it comes from the opposite direction, though.

In the past month online, for merely speaking my truth in the way I normally do here and elsewhere, I have been called condescending, holier-than-thou, arrogant, and much worse. I find most of the time that those epithets are projections of the speaker onto others; getting called arrogant by someone whose argument you've just shown to be full of holes is hilarious, actually, because ad hominem attacks are the last refuge of the illogical. Granted, the context in which such remarks occur is often one in which that enduring American strain of bellicose anti-intellectualism rears its head; a strain in the culture that has always been there, and feels itself empowered to speak whenever the national discourse gets emotional.

So, I absolutely encourage everyone to speak up. There are no dumb questions, and there are no dumb comments.

Nonetheless, having spent the better part of some years working to "come out of the closet" as smart, I flatly refuse to tone down or dumb down my own rhetoric, or style of communicating. I do encourage everyone to speak up, and equally don't expect me to change how I respond, either, whether that's approved of or not.

When someone calls you arrogant or condescending, keep in mind that they're often trying to control you—to bully you, as it were, into being something that they approve of. It's disrespectful to who you are, and it's coercive. It's like the old folk saying designed to enforce social conformity, "If a nail sticks up, known it back down."

So, while I agree with everything Kat wrote in the above paragraph, I also bristle at it, because I've been the target of being called those things for no good reason. You can call me condescending all you want to, and I won't dumb myself down for anyone's benefit. The fact is, tolerance of other peoples' rhetoric goes ALL ways, and must include even those styles of rhetoric we might not like. It's all or nothing.

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Dragon,

When I made my post I was thinking of an incident I witnessed on a poetry board several years ago. Someone asked a question and another person answered, saying something to the effect of: “I’m not a teacher. It’s not my job to educate you. If you aren’t up to speed on this stuff, butt out and let the grown-ups talk.” But your post reminded me of something I had forgotten this morning but had noted at the time: There was a counter attack in that thread, which boiled down to some folks saying, “I don’t like all this intellectual talk. Shut up.” In that incident it seemed both sides brought out the worst in each other. No one here should have to dumb themselves down. That’s just another form of silencing. While we don't have any participation requirements, IMO, it doesn’t do anybody any good if we cater to the lowest common denominator in knowledge-base or self-esteem. If someone doesn't like all "this intellectual stuff," whether the topic is literature, art, science, or music, etc., they can skip those threads and have fun in the threads they do like.


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quote:

Katlin wrote:

While we don't have any participation requirements, IMO, it doesn’t do anybody any good if we cater to the lowest common denominator in knowledge-base or self-esteem.



It occurs to me that this is perhaps the reason that when (almost) any art/artist becomes popular, somehow they/it looses its quality - it is as if they were in the top tier and popularity (widening the common denominator range) lowers the overall result. This probably is off-topic anyways.

On a more relevant topic - recently, I have been around more. I don't always understand the discussions (e.g., listening to Davis does not mean I understand what chasing down the voodoo means or entails, or even what it looks like...), but I try to at least glance at everything to have a general idea of what state the board and its members are in.

I very much like the idea of being able to see a collection of any of boardfriends' works. I see Ateliers as a good forum for that, in that I am with Dragon and cannot follow a thread where multiple poems are being critiqued, and perhaps not in order. The reason that this aspect is important to me is that being probably the least skilled and experienced writer here, many of the critiques function as lessons to me and I would like to be able to follow them and learn.


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So, collections in Ateliers for comments related to the whole; individual poems posted one-at-a-time for critical comments in the Poetry Spectrum? It works for me as I tend to lose the 'flow' when a collection is broken up by critical comments between individual poems. But I take it this is not a hard and fast rule.

Glad you brought the other thing up, Kat, and Dragon's response is equally valid. Sometimes it seems like the Monarchists are duking it out with the Bolsheviks. Wouldn't want to be at the mercy of either camp.

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Good. Thanks, Katrfriend, for getting this particular discussion going. Thanks all for speaking up.

I got a favor to ask. I think I know something about poetry, prosody, and poetics. Maybe I know something about other things as well. Maybe. But if I ever come across as condescending I want everyone collectively to slap me upside the head and, as Leon Russell once said in a song to a love interest, "right my mind." For me various discussions are entered into for something other than the flash and dash of knowledge display. It is for the pleasure of engagement and across the whole range of experiences people bring into the salon. That is what I am after.

Now for something else. Back in the board's beginning I decided I should not, as admin type, post my own poetry on the board, certainly not in the Poetry Spectrum space. My instinct, or maybe my training, was that of a waiter, maitre d'hotel, and one time caterer: you set up the game, you stand to the back of the room, your purpose is to serve and ensure all participants enjoy themselves. So I didn't post poetry. Then one day Zakman asked me to show some of my stuff. Which I did and so I have. But the server in me is ever mindful of other members. I want the front page, even the top of the front page, free for members whose participation and fun is far more important to me than my own stuff.

So, for now at least, I will continue to keep to this thread called Bitter Root and Sweet in the Poetry Spectrum. Ateliers is meant for collections, yes. What I am showing draws from many different collections, even the uncollections. Ateliers is a member only forum. And I should like to expose my stuff to non-members (guests) who could be prospective members. I will also continue to pace myself to give people time to weigh in on a particular poem.

To say it again, however, this is just me. The alternative would be to not post in the Spectrum at all, or less frequently so, maybe once a month. As Chrisfriend says there are no hard and fast rules at play here. Everyone is free to place their material for critique the way they choose to. I suppose it possible that, as we grow, we might have to revisit the issue. Especially, since, the board does not have a ratio rule of poems to comments. But I really don't want to go down that road. The ratio thing in my view falsifies the exchange.

Anyway, I hope at least my motive for keeping to a single thread in the Spectrum comes through. I am wanting to see as many names as is possible on the upper portion of the forum's first page. This is my small way of encouraging as much.

Everybody keeping warm tonight? The arctic blast is damn near general. Louisiana is slated to get down into the temp teens tonight. Florida citrus growers are in for a wallup.

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Kat, I appreciate the context and the clarification. That was my point, that I've frequently been on the receiving end of "I don't like this intellectual stuff, so shut up." My own comments were meant to remind us that the balance is what matters, and tipping too far in EITHER direction is not helpful or useful, or, well, nice.

The overall solution being that, as you say, folks are free to participate, or not, in whatever way they want to. I'm all for that. And I'm all for the openness that a genuine balance provides.

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Almost forgot. Shabfriend, get a copy of the old Miles Davis album "Bitches Brew." He's got a jazz thing there called "Running the Voodoo Down." The notion will make immediate sense to you I bet.

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Thanks for the reminder, Dragon. I think the kind of incident I described earlier is less likely to happen here simply because we are a small board and as such don't get much traffic. Therefore, people are more likely to speak directly to each other rather than to some real or imagined reading audience they are trying to impress. I think that tendency sometimes happens on bigger boards to the detriment of the discussions.
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Katfriend says: "Thanks for the reminder, Dragon. I think the kind of incident I described earlier is less likely to happen here simply because we are a small board and as such don't get much traffic. Therefore, people are more likely to speak directly to each other rather than to some real or imagined reading audience they are trying to impress. I think that tendency sometimes happens on bigger boards to the detriment of the discussions."

Man, this so touches a raw nerve. I've always hated the habit of some, usually found on the bigger boards, to address a poet or a poem when really they are speaking to the audience. So false. So disingenuous. And the poet or poem addressed becomes the fodder, becomes the foil, for their posturing. I frankly expect more of people who come to poetry. No, actually. I require more. If this board ever has to make the trade off between falseness like this and getting bigger I'll be looking to hand off ownership. Serious as a heart beat my friends. This gnome signs his name to no false contracts and to no queasy pacts.

Sorry. Katfriend's post just brought up a whole lot of bad poetry board history. Not going there again. I think I may revise the board's guidelines to reflect as much.

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Yeah, I've been on the receiving end of that, too.

The humorous part of it is that it's usually pretty easy to spot when it happens. That's because it's all about ego, and nothing about the art.

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As a reminder: ~Generally threads have an automatic shelf life of two months. After which time judicious pruning occurs. The purpose is to forestall clutter, freeing up space Runboard allots us. The criteria applied is this: threads not generating conversation and viewing get pruned. Threads looking to address a passing circumstance, such as a member's birthday, a holiday, or a time-stamped announcement of events have a shelf life of one month. The same criteria applies: threads not generating conversation and viewing get pruned. Additionally, irrespective of the time frame, posts edited by their authors excising a complete text get removed. Categorically excepted from getting culled are poems, creative prose, critical essays, original art, and material workshopped in the forum, Ateliers. (Jan. '10)"

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Another reminder. ~Delectable Mnts does have one particular by-law. Members do not suffer cyber-stalking, what can include personally identifying information (PII) posted to embarrass or compromise a member or the repeated verbal harassment.

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What is this by-laws threat post about? What by-laws? Did the membership vote on them? Or are you using the term in the archaic, less democratic sense? The ruler makes the laws and the peasants abide?

Is someone being stalked here, being repeatedly harrassed...what's the reason for this ominous warning? Is it no longer safe for us to post freely here?

If not on your board, where could one post thoughts and ideas without a moderator slapping his/her hands? You've spoken up against moderator control so passionately on so many boards for so many years now...and far more eloquently than I. There comes a time when you gotta practice what you preach.

If your post is aimed at me, Tere, go ahead, ban me right now. I have harrassed no one on this board and have revealed no personal information that wasn't previously posted by you and still easy to find in several places on the internet, even posted fairly recently on this very board...and, you know me well by now, I tend to save poems and comments I like...and those that simply make my hair stand on end.

Pat

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Pat,

I don't know why Tere made that post about PII last night, but I can point you to this board's TOS:

http://www.runboard.com/bdelectablemnts.f12.t12

As a Runboard site, we, both as a board and as individual members, are governed by Runboard's TOS, and you can find a link to them at the link above.

Since we are on the topic of TOS, this might be a good time to remind everybody that among Runboard's TOS are the following:

Users using Services provided by DATAHIT to create boards agree to monitor the Content on their board and make as "best and reasonable" efforts as can be taken to ensure compliance with the whole of this Agreement.

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Re: Changes to the board.


Thanks, Kat. You saved me a lot of time. It should be clear that, by virtue of using the service, the board agrees to Runboard's protocol. There is no debate in the matter and I am good with that. The protocol works for me and I continue to enjoy being a part of the consortium. As for the protocol specific to Delectable Mnts it has been in place since the beginning, or since September of 2008. Subsequent changes have mostly been in the nature of greater, closer clarity of wording and as circumstances have affected the board's composition. In brief, and in the salients, there is nothing new. This is how the board has operated since its inception.

Next item. Respecting post deletions. Today a member questioned why I had deleted a thread he had started in The Poetry Spectrum forum. It was deleted because the starting post, a poem, had been edited to read the word "Nothing." In other words the member had taken down the poem. I saw, without reading closely, there were subsequent comments. But the thread made no sense to me, since and presumably, the member no longer wanted comments, which, to my mind, is the logic of editing out a thread's starting post.

In the last little while there have been a couple, a few, maybe several similar edits made by members. In all cases the board has responded in the same fashion. (I want to be sure this is clear. The action is straight forward and a matter of board business.) Three weeks ago I changed the by-law concerning the life-span of posts addressing passing circumstances from three to two months. I unfortunately modified the language concerning the deletion of threads following on a starting post a member had edited out. But the case has always been that when a member erases the content of a starting post the thread gets removed too. Aside from the fact the comments no longer make sense, and that I assume the poster no longer wants comments in the first place, there is a consideration of space. Delectable Mnts is allotted a finite amount of space. By purchasing premium status for the board I have increased the amount of space we enjoy. But that too is limited. I will continue to do so as we use up what we have. Still, it makes no sense to me to take up space without purpose when it can take attention away from other relevant threads. So while I am sorry the member is upset by the deletion the matter is as pragmatic as business sometimes has to be. Truth is, however, it is thinking of commentators who've invested themselves in a starting poem-post, or any other starting post, that bothers me as much. Maybe this is something we should think about when we remove the content from our posts.

Last item. Regarding cyber stalking. To me, and logically, such stalking can include verbal harrassment. Publically bringing a person's character into question, again to me, amounts to verbal harrassment. All members, and this includes the site owner, have the right to come to Delectable Mnts free of consternation.

That's all I got. Members have said ours is a good board. I think so too. Rules are few, discussion areas got latitude, there is much room in which to play. I started out by saying I am good with Runboard's protocol. I'll end by saying I'm good with Delectable Mnts terms of engagement too.

(After-note. I will edit what is in The Art of Conversation to re-include what is said above about starting posts and the subsequent threads getting deleted.)

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